Diskussionsthread: Große Content Erweiterung "Lebensformen"

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

Hallo liebe Freunde

ich werde jetzt auch mal mein Senf dazugeben bezüglich der Kollektor und Entdecker Diskussion

(wenn eine derartige Erklärung schon verfasst wurde hab ich sie nicht gelesen ... sry)

btw. die Tabelle die skibidi toilet geteilt hat ... habe ich erstellt

vorab: die Kampfexpos lasse ich hier mal außen vor, da ich nicht genau beurteilen kann ob man sie momentan gut nutzen kann

(seit der Halbierung der Angriffe ist es meiner Empfindung nach nicht mehr rentable)

Welche Klasse ist den nun besser Kollektor oder Entdecker ?

pauschal kann man das nicht sagen das es von einigen Faktoren abhängig ist!

aber was man sagen kann ist das der Entdecker für Kleiner Acc effektiver ist

und der Kollektor je größer der Acc wird umso effektiver wird

wann die Grenze erreicht ist ist wie schon erwähnt von einigen Faktoren abhängig die bei jedem Spieler individuell sind

ganz grob zu Theorie:

Kollektor bietet ein Bonus auf die Produktion der Minen

Entdecker bietet ein Bonus auf Expeditionsfunde

wenn man die Theorie betrachtet ....

sieht man das der Kollektor Bonus mit jeder Mine steigt ! (ohne Deckelung)

der Entdecker Bonus aber mit den Maximalfunden gedeckelt ist ! (ab Platz 1 Punkten von 100kk und Expo Anzahl)

Fazit:

beide Klassen haben ihre Vorteile bezüglich Effektivität Entdecker früher und Kollektor später

und ein großer unterschied ist noch der Zeitaufwand: Entdecker viel Zeit, Kollektor weniger Zeit

und die Entscheidenen Faktoren für die Grenze die Entscheidung für die lohnendere Klasse sind: Der Minenschnitt und Die Expeditionsanzahl

Jetzt noch kurz zu dem Thema des Threads:

ich spiel auch Baracuda um mir die ganzen Bonuse anzuschauen

und mein erster Eindruck ist:

das die Minen sehr stark gepusht werden !

aber da die Lebenformen den Bonus auf die Grundproduktionen der Minen geben ist es vollkommen irrelevant ob man Kollektor, Entdecker oder General ist.

Eins steht schon mal fest das Update macht das Spiel sehr komplex und jeder Acc wird je nach Nutzung der Lebensformen individueller

MfG STR0MEX

#MBC #Libra

sn00p3r schrieb:

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

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Mit der Beta20 wurde alles etwas neu gebalanced:

SirsSchwester schrieb:

Today, May 19 at 16:00 CEST we will update PTS.

Intro

We are very thankful for all the players who went on the Public Test Server (PTS) to experience our newest update “Lifeforms”. The team has now gone through the first wave of PTS feedback that was provided by a lot of players who jumped right into the new Lifeform update.

Overall, the update created some very interesting discussion about possible strategies with the newly introduced amount of possible build options which is one of the main intentions of the update. However, players also addressed that some of the benefits that are currently obtainable on the PTS were too powerful compared to their cost and that cost reductions were potentially too strong, and we agree. With our first balancing patch for the PTS Lifeform update we want to address the problems that players have highlighted and found so far.

The team would like to thank all of the players who took their time to test our Lifeform update and provided valuable feedback. This greatly helps us to improve the Lifeform update until it is ready for the live release as we continue our quest to make this polished, balanced, and fun by the time it launches.

In the following sections we will generally talk about some of the update goals and how the PTS setup will be changed compared to the initial version. Please note this is an ongoing process. As long as the update is tested on the PTS all values are subject to potential changes based on performance, testing, and community feedback.

General changes

Below a list of changes that were done to buildings or technologies across the board.

Buildings:

• Increased build time base value to factor in server speed.

Technologies:

• Increased scaling of research time for all Lifeform technologies to factor in the “technology & research reduction options” that are available with the Lifeform update
  - This change will make it more interesting to consider technologies that reduce research time since all technologies now will scale stronger into endgame and take longer to build.

Population & Food buildings

Population and food together with the introduced conversion buildings for each Lifeform are the pre-condition that players need to build up to access the new Lifeform tech tree. Players need to find a balance between an increasing amount of population vs. the amount of food that is consumed. This balance differs greatly between the different Lifeforms. Where for example Humans have support buildings that increase food production which help with the amount of population, or reduce food consumption the Rock´tal Lifeform has none of those options which makes them significantly more costly to reach the highest population counts that are needed to unlock the species tech tree fully.

Changes:

• The cost for population and food related buildings has slightly been decreased. The main goal here was that players have less costs before they can access the full species tech tree, while the last tech tree tiers will still need a significant investment
• The total energy costs for population and food related buildings to reach the needed amount of population for a fully unlocked tech tree have slightly been decreased. Energy will still be something that needs to be considered when building up Lifeforms.
• The total amount of food on planets has been reduced dramatically. The consumption vs. production is still the same, but the overall number of food on a planet is now much smaller

  
  

  • This change should tackle the problematic where players looted too much food on attacks. While food has the lowest priority when looting resources, the amount of food on planets would still create issues where you would lose out on potential other resources. The change should overall vastly improve the situation.
• The build time scaling for all population and food buildings has been increased to better factor in nanite and robotics reductions better

Resource production (metal, crystal, deuterium) related buildings and tech

The initial feedback of players was that the bonus to production which you could obtain from Lifeforms would be too strong for the costs involved.

Changes:

• The bonus values from production related buildings and tech have been reduced
• The cost scaling and energy scaling has been increased so that higher bonus values have a significant higher increase in costs related to it
• The time scaling has been increased to factor in nanite and robotics and the newly added options to reduce Lifeform tech build time.

Overall, we believe that the initial levels for production boost will still give players a really good source to invest into if they want to enhance their production further while higher levels need a significant higher investment of resources and time to increase the benefits further.

Ship base stats & defense base stats related techs

The ship & defense related tech benefits will impact Structural integrity, Shield Power, Weapon Power, Cargo Capacity and Base Speed.

Changes:

• The overall power that you could gain from those Lifeform techs was too strong compared to weapon, shield, and armor research investments and therefore has been reduced and the cost scaling has been increased.

  
  

  • This should lead to a situation where you have a fast and cheap benefit from the related tech where further benefits need a much higher investment
• The reduction of the tech benefits also factors in that the overall bonus from all techs that increase ship speed should not lead to a situation where ship speed is vastly increased compared to now.
• The research time scaling for those techs has been increased as well

Ship speed increasing Lifeform techs

Overall, the intention of those techs were that players have an option to increase their flight speed further beyond the available research options. But we agree that a vastly increased flight speed is not something that should be possible. Therefore, the bonus values for ship speed have been revisited and changed.

Changes:

• Together with the ship base stat decrease the bonus values for ship speed techs have been reduced as well
• If players invest into ship base stat techs and ship speed techs they will still receive a worthwhile speed increase for their investment but need to specialize now more into this direction

Ship fuel reduction techs & Recall fuel refund tech

The main intention with introducing ship fuel reductions and a technology that would give back invested fuel if a fleet is recalled was to make flying around with fleets less of an investment and less of a risk. However, the fuel reduction has been seen as somewhat critical since it also enables exploration missions again to be more lucrative. With the changes we would like to address those concern but keep monitoring further feedback how much fuel reductions impact exploration missions and their gain from this tech.

Changes:

• Fuel reduction bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is now set to -30%)
• Recall fuel refund bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is set to 90% refund)
  - You will receive a refund for the remaining deuterium that you have not consumed while flying (example: If you fly 50% of the distance and then recall, you will receive a refund of the not used deuterium for half the way)

General cost reduction & time reductions

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of new options to reduce cost & time for production buildings or for specific research like Espionage tech, Weapon, Armor, Shield or Energy research. However, the cost reduction has been reviewed somewhat critical which we understand. Especially high reductions scale too strong into late game. However, we believe that the time reduction for research is still something that should be available since research doesn´t have a similar reduction options like buildings with nanite.

Changes:

• Cost reduction related buildings and techs have been decreased dramatically in its effect (cost reduction limit is now 50%, however reaching the 50% limit is extremely cost & time intense) and cost and time scaling has been increased
• Time reductions have been reduced in its effect but with proper stacking of different technologies and buildings from the Lifeform update and further investment we believe players can reach the limit of 99% reduction

  
  

  • Please note that 99% time reduction sounds initially a lot but in exponential scaling systems this can very fast be out scaled again and additionally needs quite some investment to reach

Class bonus techs

Some Lifeforms have as technology an increase to the class benefits. Since this can be quite powerful due to the overall benefits classes can give we believe that the initial values were too high for the investment that players had to take to boost the class benefits further.

Changes:

• The bonus from techs that increase class benefits have been reduced
• The cost and time scaling has been increased

Exploration related tech bonus

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of technologies for players who like the exploration playstyle. As example a technology that reduce the chance for Black Holes (fleet loss on expeditions) or increases the number of ships you find on expeditions. The initial feedback from players was rather critical about the reductions to the fleet loss chance since it potentially would lead again to a situation where exploration missions would be more efficient and lucrative again.

Changes:

• Fleet loss technology bonus values reduced, and cost and time scaling increased

  
  

  • Players will still be able to reduce the fleet loss chance, but it will overall cost you more
• Techs that boost “amount of ships found” and “resources found” on expedition have been slightly reduced in effectiveness and cost and time scaling has been increased

Moon size building

The Kaelesh have a special building that increases moon chance and moon size.

Changes:

• The bonus to moon size now only works on min. moon size. This makes moons in average bigger without increasing their size in total to not influence moon destruction chance

Population growth

Players reported that the growth of population was way too fast. After a short check we noticed that there are 2 current issues where one has been addressed and one will be addressed later.

Changes:

• Reduced the growth base value for Lifeform growth to consider server speed settings

Open issue:

• The growth rate currently factors in server speed multiple times and therefore is too fast. The intended setting is that population growth from 0 to 100% takes around 20 hours on a 4x server.

Final words

Thanks to all of the testers, the feedback we received from the official forum and Discord, we have been able to further improve the balance of the upcoming Lifeforms update. We hope that the changes reflect the feedback and wishes that players have communicated to us so far, as the developers work to fix issues and balance various mechanics introduced with these features. We will keep monitoring how players interact with the Lifeform update and the feedback that is provided, while everyone discovers new ways how to further improve his empire, and further improve it on the way as long as the PTS phase is ongoing.

Please find on the following link some useful values and formulas for a better understanding of Lifeforms: board.de.ogame.gameforge.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3948/

Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming!


Your OGame Team

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Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

Alles anzeigen

Mit der Beta20 wurde alles etwas neu gebalanced:

SirsSchwester schrieb:

Today, May 19 at 16:00 CEST we will update PTS.

Intro

We are very thankful for all the players who went on the Public Test Server (PTS) to experience our newest update “Lifeforms”. The team has now gone through the first wave of PTS feedback that was provided by a lot of players who jumped right into the new Lifeform update.

Overall, the update created some very interesting discussion about possible strategies with the newly introduced amount of possible build options which is one of the main intentions of the update. However, players also addressed that some of the benefits that are currently obtainable on the PTS were too powerful compared to their cost and that cost reductions were potentially too strong, and we agree. With our first balancing patch for the PTS Lifeform update we want to address the problems that players have highlighted and found so far.

The team would like to thank all of the players who took their time to test our Lifeform update and provided valuable feedback. This greatly helps us to improve the Lifeform update until it is ready for the live release as we continue our quest to make this polished, balanced, and fun by the time it launches.

In the following sections we will generally talk about some of the update goals and how the PTS setup will be changed compared to the initial version. Please note this is an ongoing process. As long as the update is tested on the PTS all values are subject to potential changes based on performance, testing, and community feedback.

General changes

Below a list of changes that were done to buildings or technologies across the board.

Buildings:

• Increased build time base value to factor in server speed.

Technologies:

• Increased scaling of research time for all Lifeform technologies to factor in the “technology & research reduction options” that are available with the Lifeform update
  - This change will make it more interesting to consider technologies that reduce research time since all technologies now will scale stronger into endgame and take longer to build.

Population & Food buildings

Population and food together with the introduced conversion buildings for each Lifeform are the pre-condition that players need to build up to access the new Lifeform tech tree. Players need to find a balance between an increasing amount of population vs. the amount of food that is consumed. This balance differs greatly between the different Lifeforms. Where for example Humans have support buildings that increase food production which help with the amount of population, or reduce food consumption the Rock´tal Lifeform has none of those options which makes them significantly more costly to reach the highest population counts that are needed to unlock the species tech tree fully.

Changes:

• The cost for population and food related buildings has slightly been decreased. The main goal here was that players have less costs before they can access the full species tech tree, while the last tech tree tiers will still need a significant investment
• The total energy costs for population and food related buildings to reach the needed amount of population for a fully unlocked tech tree have slightly been decreased. Energy will still be something that needs to be considered when building up Lifeforms.
• The total amount of food on planets has been reduced dramatically. The consumption vs. production is still the same, but the overall number of food on a planet is now much smaller

  
  

  • This change should tackle the problematic where players looted too much food on attacks. While food has the lowest priority when looting resources, the amount of food on planets would still create issues where you would lose out on potential other resources. The change should overall vastly improve the situation.
• The build time scaling for all population and food buildings has been increased to better factor in nanite and robotics reductions better

Resource production (metal, crystal, deuterium) related buildings and tech

The initial feedback of players was that the bonus to production which you could obtain from Lifeforms would be too strong for the costs involved.

Changes:

• The bonus values from production related buildings and tech have been reduced
• The cost scaling and energy scaling has been increased so that higher bonus values have a significant higher increase in costs related to it
• The time scaling has been increased to factor in nanite and robotics and the newly added options to reduce Lifeform tech build time.

Overall, we believe that the initial levels for production boost will still give players a really good source to invest into if they want to enhance their production further while higher levels need a significant higher investment of resources and time to increase the benefits further.

Ship base stats & defense base stats related techs

The ship & defense related tech benefits will impact Structural integrity, Shield Power, Weapon Power, Cargo Capacity and Base Speed.

Changes:

• The overall power that you could gain from those Lifeform techs was too strong compared to weapon, shield, and armor research investments and therefore has been reduced and the cost scaling has been increased.

  
  

  • This should lead to a situation where you have a fast and cheap benefit from the related tech where further benefits need a much higher investment
• The reduction of the tech benefits also factors in that the overall bonus from all techs that increase ship speed should not lead to a situation where ship speed is vastly increased compared to now.
• The research time scaling for those techs has been increased as well

Ship speed increasing Lifeform techs

Overall, the intention of those techs were that players have an option to increase their flight speed further beyond the available research options. But we agree that a vastly increased flight speed is not something that should be possible. Therefore, the bonus values for ship speed have been revisited and changed.

Changes:

• Together with the ship base stat decrease the bonus values for ship speed techs have been reduced as well
• If players invest into ship base stat techs and ship speed techs they will still receive a worthwhile speed increase for their investment but need to specialize now more into this direction

Ship fuel reduction techs & Recall fuel refund tech

The main intention with introducing ship fuel reductions and a technology that would give back invested fuel if a fleet is recalled was to make flying around with fleets less of an investment and less of a risk. However, the fuel reduction has been seen as somewhat critical since it also enables exploration missions again to be more lucrative. With the changes we would like to address those concern but keep monitoring further feedback how much fuel reductions impact exploration missions and their gain from this tech.

Changes:

• Fuel reduction bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is now set to -30%)
• Recall fuel refund bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is set to 90% refund)
  - You will receive a refund for the remaining deuterium that you have not consumed while flying (example: If you fly 50% of the distance and then recall, you will receive a refund of the not used deuterium for half the way)

General cost reduction & time reductions

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of new options to reduce cost & time for production buildings or for specific research like Espionage tech, Weapon, Armor, Shield or Energy research. However, the cost reduction has been reviewed somewhat critical which we understand. Especially high reductions scale too strong into late game. However, we believe that the time reduction for research is still something that should be available since research doesn´t have a similar reduction options like buildings with nanite.

Changes:

• Cost reduction related buildings and techs have been decreased dramatically in its effect (cost reduction limit is now 50%, however reaching the 50% limit is extremely cost & time intense) and cost and time scaling has been increased
• Time reductions have been reduced in its effect but with proper stacking of different technologies and buildings from the Lifeform update and further investment we believe players can reach the limit of 99% reduction

  
  

  • Please note that 99% time reduction sounds initially a lot but in exponential scaling systems this can very fast be out scaled again and additionally needs quite some investment to reach

Class bonus techs

Some Lifeforms have as technology an increase to the class benefits. Since this can be quite powerful due to the overall benefits classes can give we believe that the initial values were too high for the investment that players had to take to boost the class benefits further.

Changes:

• The bonus from techs that increase class benefits have been reduced
• The cost and time scaling has been increased

Exploration related tech bonus

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of technologies for players who like the exploration playstyle. As example a technology that reduce the chance for Black Holes (fleet loss on expeditions) or increases the number of ships you find on expeditions. The initial feedback from players was rather critical about the reductions to the fleet loss chance since it potentially would lead again to a situation where exploration missions would be more efficient and lucrative again.

Changes:

• Fleet loss technology bonus values reduced, and cost and time scaling increased

  
  

  • Players will still be able to reduce the fleet loss chance, but it will overall cost you more
• Techs that boost “amount of ships found” and “resources found” on expedition have been slightly reduced in effectiveness and cost and time scaling has been increased

Moon size building

The Kaelesh have a special building that increases moon chance and moon size.

Changes:

• The bonus to moon size now only works on min. moon size. This makes moons in average bigger without increasing their size in total to not influence moon destruction chance

Population growth

Players reported that the growth of population was way too fast. After a short check we noticed that there are 2 current issues where one has been addressed and one will be addressed later.

Changes:

• Reduced the growth base value for Lifeform growth to consider server speed settings

Open issue:

• The growth rate currently factors in server speed multiple times and therefore is too fast. The intended setting is that population growth from 0 to 100% takes around 20 hours on a 4x server.

Final words

Thanks to all of the testers, the feedback we received from the official forum and Discord, we have been able to further improve the balance of the upcoming Lifeforms update. We hope that the changes reflect the feedback and wishes that players have communicated to us so far, as the developers work to fix issues and balance various mechanics introduced with these features. We will keep monitoring how players interact with the Lifeform update and the feedback that is provided, while everyone discovers new ways how to further improve his empire, and further improve it on the way as long as the PTS phase is ongoing.

Please find on the following link some useful values and formulas for a better understanding of Lifeforms: board.de.ogame.gameforge.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3948/

Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming!


Your OGame Team

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Ja, danke. Habe ich auch schon gesehen. Mein Beitrag kam ca. ein halbe Stunde vor Sir's Posting

Krasses Balancing... der Psionic Modulator (senkt die Anforderungen für die Forschungsslots) Stufe 19 kostet nun

4.211.991.858 Metall

842.398.371 Kristall

842.398.371 Deuterium

...und dauert nun 516w 3d 12h Bauzeit bei Nani 2, Robo 13 und Unispeed 4x Ob dieses Re-Balancing so glücklich war? Bei den Kosten und Bauzeiten erreicht man ja nie alle Tear3 Forschungen Im Verhältnis zu den Kosten sind die Benefits aus den Forschungen/Gebäuden, die man damit freischalten kann, ja schon fast lächerlich... hm..

sn00p3r schrieb:

Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

Alles anzeigen

Mit der Beta20 wurde alles etwas neu gebalanced:

SirsSchwester schrieb:

Today, May 19 at 16:00 CEST we will update PTS.

Intro

We are very thankful for all the players who went on the Public Test Server (PTS) to experience our newest update “Lifeforms”. The team has now gone through the first wave of PTS feedback that was provided by a lot of players who jumped right into the new Lifeform update.

Overall, the update created some very interesting discussion about possible strategies with the newly introduced amount of possible build options which is one of the main intentions of the update. However, players also addressed that some of the benefits that are currently obtainable on the PTS were too powerful compared to their cost and that cost reductions were potentially too strong, and we agree. With our first balancing patch for the PTS Lifeform update we want to address the problems that players have highlighted and found so far.

The team would like to thank all of the players who took their time to test our Lifeform update and provided valuable feedback. This greatly helps us to improve the Lifeform update until it is ready for the live release as we continue our quest to make this polished, balanced, and fun by the time it launches.

In the following sections we will generally talk about some of the update goals and how the PTS setup will be changed compared to the initial version. Please note this is an ongoing process. As long as the update is tested on the PTS all values are subject to potential changes based on performance, testing, and community feedback.

General changes

Below a list of changes that were done to buildings or technologies across the board.

Buildings:

• Increased build time base value to factor in server speed.

Technologies:

• Increased scaling of research time for all Lifeform technologies to factor in the “technology & research reduction options” that are available with the Lifeform update
  - This change will make it more interesting to consider technologies that reduce research time since all technologies now will scale stronger into endgame and take longer to build.

Population & Food buildings

Population and food together with the introduced conversion buildings for each Lifeform are the pre-condition that players need to build up to access the new Lifeform tech tree. Players need to find a balance between an increasing amount of population vs. the amount of food that is consumed. This balance differs greatly between the different Lifeforms. Where for example Humans have support buildings that increase food production which help with the amount of population, or reduce food consumption the Rock´tal Lifeform has none of those options which makes them significantly more costly to reach the highest population counts that are needed to unlock the species tech tree fully.

Changes:

• The cost for population and food related buildings has slightly been decreased. The main goal here was that players have less costs before they can access the full species tech tree, while the last tech tree tiers will still need a significant investment
• The total energy costs for population and food related buildings to reach the needed amount of population for a fully unlocked tech tree have slightly been decreased. Energy will still be something that needs to be considered when building up Lifeforms.
• The total amount of food on planets has been reduced dramatically. The consumption vs. production is still the same, but the overall number of food on a planet is now much smaller

  
  

  • This change should tackle the problematic where players looted too much food on attacks. While food has the lowest priority when looting resources, the amount of food on planets would still create issues where you would lose out on potential other resources. The change should overall vastly improve the situation.
• The build time scaling for all population and food buildings has been increased to better factor in nanite and robotics reductions better

Resource production (metal, crystal, deuterium) related buildings and tech

The initial feedback of players was that the bonus to production which you could obtain from Lifeforms would be too strong for the costs involved.

Changes:

• The bonus values from production related buildings and tech have been reduced
• The cost scaling and energy scaling has been increased so that higher bonus values have a significant higher increase in costs related to it
• The time scaling has been increased to factor in nanite and robotics and the newly added options to reduce Lifeform tech build time.

Overall, we believe that the initial levels for production boost will still give players a really good source to invest into if they want to enhance their production further while higher levels need a significant higher investment of resources and time to increase the benefits further.

Ship base stats & defense base stats related techs

The ship & defense related tech benefits will impact Structural integrity, Shield Power, Weapon Power, Cargo Capacity and Base Speed.

Changes:

• The overall power that you could gain from those Lifeform techs was too strong compared to weapon, shield, and armor research investments and therefore has been reduced and the cost scaling has been increased.

  
  

  • This should lead to a situation where you have a fast and cheap benefit from the related tech where further benefits need a much higher investment
• The reduction of the tech benefits also factors in that the overall bonus from all techs that increase ship speed should not lead to a situation where ship speed is vastly increased compared to now.
• The research time scaling for those techs has been increased as well

Ship speed increasing Lifeform techs

Overall, the intention of those techs were that players have an option to increase their flight speed further beyond the available research options. But we agree that a vastly increased flight speed is not something that should be possible. Therefore, the bonus values for ship speed have been revisited and changed.

Changes:

• Together with the ship base stat decrease the bonus values for ship speed techs have been reduced as well
• If players invest into ship base stat techs and ship speed techs they will still receive a worthwhile speed increase for their investment but need to specialize now more into this direction

Ship fuel reduction techs & Recall fuel refund tech

The main intention with introducing ship fuel reductions and a technology that would give back invested fuel if a fleet is recalled was to make flying around with fleets less of an investment and less of a risk. However, the fuel reduction has been seen as somewhat critical since it also enables exploration missions again to be more lucrative. With the changes we would like to address those concern but keep monitoring further feedback how much fuel reductions impact exploration missions and their gain from this tech.

Changes:

• Fuel reduction bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is now set to -30%)
• Recall fuel refund bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is set to 90% refund)
  - You will receive a refund for the remaining deuterium that you have not consumed while flying (example: If you fly 50% of the distance and then recall, you will receive a refund of the not used deuterium for half the way)

General cost reduction & time reductions

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of new options to reduce cost & time for production buildings or for specific research like Espionage tech, Weapon, Armor, Shield or Energy research. However, the cost reduction has been reviewed somewhat critical which we understand. Especially high reductions scale too strong into late game. However, we believe that the time reduction for research is still something that should be available since research doesn´t have a similar reduction options like buildings with nanite.

Changes:

• Cost reduction related buildings and techs have been decreased dramatically in its effect (cost reduction limit is now 50%, however reaching the 50% limit is extremely cost & time intense) and cost and time scaling has been increased
• Time reductions have been reduced in its effect but with proper stacking of different technologies and buildings from the Lifeform update and further investment we believe players can reach the limit of 99% reduction

  
  

  • Please note that 99% time reduction sounds initially a lot but in exponential scaling systems this can very fast be out scaled again and additionally needs quite some investment to reach

Class bonus techs

Some Lifeforms have as technology an increase to the class benefits. Since this can be quite powerful due to the overall benefits classes can give we believe that the initial values were too high for the investment that players had to take to boost the class benefits further.

Changes:

• The bonus from techs that increase class benefits have been reduced
• The cost and time scaling has been increased

Exploration related tech bonus

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of technologies for players who like the exploration playstyle. As example a technology that reduce the chance for Black Holes (fleet loss on expeditions) or increases the number of ships you find on expeditions. The initial feedback from players was rather critical about the reductions to the fleet loss chance since it potentially would lead again to a situation where exploration missions would be more efficient and lucrative again.

Changes:

• Fleet loss technology bonus values reduced, and cost and time scaling increased

  
  

  • Players will still be able to reduce the fleet loss chance, but it will overall cost you more
• Techs that boost “amount of ships found” and “resources found” on expedition have been slightly reduced in effectiveness and cost and time scaling has been increased

Moon size building

The Kaelesh have a special building that increases moon chance and moon size.

Changes:

• The bonus to moon size now only works on min. moon size. This makes moons in average bigger without increasing their size in total to not influence moon destruction chance

Population growth

Players reported that the growth of population was way too fast. After a short check we noticed that there are 2 current issues where one has been addressed and one will be addressed later.

Changes:

• Reduced the growth base value for Lifeform growth to consider server speed settings

Open issue:

• The growth rate currently factors in server speed multiple times and therefore is too fast. The intended setting is that population growth from 0 to 100% takes around 20 hours on a 4x server.

Final words

Thanks to all of the testers, the feedback we received from the official forum and Discord, we have been able to further improve the balance of the upcoming Lifeforms update. We hope that the changes reflect the feedback and wishes that players have communicated to us so far, as the developers work to fix issues and balance various mechanics introduced with these features. We will keep monitoring how players interact with the Lifeform update and the feedback that is provided, while everyone discovers new ways how to further improve his empire, and further improve it on the way as long as the PTS phase is ongoing.

Please find on the following link some useful values and formulas for a better understanding of Lifeforms: board.de.ogame.gameforge.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3948/

Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming!


Your OGame Team

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Ja, danke. Habe ich auch schon gesehen. Mein Beitrag kam ca. ein halbe Stunde vor Sir's Posting

Krasses Balancing... der Psionic Modulator (senkt die Anforderungen für die Forschungsslots) Stufe 19 kostet nun

4.211.991.858 Metall

842.398.371 Kristall

842.398.371 Deuterium

...und dauert nun 516w 3d 12h Bauzeit bei Nani 2, Robo 13 und Unispeed 4x Ob dieses Re-Balancing so glücklich war? Bei den Kosten und Bauzeiten erreicht man ja nie alle Tear3 Forschungen Im Verhältnis zu den Kosten sind die Benefits aus den Forschungen/Gebäuden, die man damit freischalten kann, ja schon fast lächerlich... hm..

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Pff...Lächerlich

Megalith:

• Production duration: 99182w 2d 12h
• Construction possible: Unknown
• Energy needed: 5.783Mn

Required to improve to level 35:

• 1.121Bn
• 784Bn
• 336Bn

Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

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Mit der Beta20 wurde alles etwas neu gebalanced:

SirsSchwester schrieb:

Today, May 19 at 16:00 CEST we will update PTS.

Intro

We are very thankful for all the players who went on the Public Test Server (PTS) to experience our newest update “Lifeforms”. The team has now gone through the first wave of PTS feedback that was provided by a lot of players who jumped right into the new Lifeform update.

Overall, the update created some very interesting discussion about possible strategies with the newly introduced amount of possible build options which is one of the main intentions of the update. However, players also addressed that some of the benefits that are currently obtainable on the PTS were too powerful compared to their cost and that cost reductions were potentially too strong, and we agree. With our first balancing patch for the PTS Lifeform update we want to address the problems that players have highlighted and found so far.

The team would like to thank all of the players who took their time to test our Lifeform update and provided valuable feedback. This greatly helps us to improve the Lifeform update until it is ready for the live release as we continue our quest to make this polished, balanced, and fun by the time it launches.

In the following sections we will generally talk about some of the update goals and how the PTS setup will be changed compared to the initial version. Please note this is an ongoing process. As long as the update is tested on the PTS all values are subject to potential changes based on performance, testing, and community feedback.

General changes

Below a list of changes that were done to buildings or technologies across the board.

Buildings:

• Increased build time base value to factor in server speed.

Technologies:

• Increased scaling of research time for all Lifeform technologies to factor in the “technology & research reduction options” that are available with the Lifeform update
  - This change will make it more interesting to consider technologies that reduce research time since all technologies now will scale stronger into endgame and take longer to build.

Population & Food buildings

Population and food together with the introduced conversion buildings for each Lifeform are the pre-condition that players need to build up to access the new Lifeform tech tree. Players need to find a balance between an increasing amount of population vs. the amount of food that is consumed. This balance differs greatly between the different Lifeforms. Where for example Humans have support buildings that increase food production which help with the amount of population, or reduce food consumption the Rock´tal Lifeform has none of those options which makes them significantly more costly to reach the highest population counts that are needed to unlock the species tech tree fully.

Changes:

• The cost for population and food related buildings has slightly been decreased. The main goal here was that players have less costs before they can access the full species tech tree, while the last tech tree tiers will still need a significant investment
• The total energy costs for population and food related buildings to reach the needed amount of population for a fully unlocked tech tree have slightly been decreased. Energy will still be something that needs to be considered when building up Lifeforms.
• The total amount of food on planets has been reduced dramatically. The consumption vs. production is still the same, but the overall number of food on a planet is now much smaller

  
  

  • This change should tackle the problematic where players looted too much food on attacks. While food has the lowest priority when looting resources, the amount of food on planets would still create issues where you would lose out on potential other resources. The change should overall vastly improve the situation.
• The build time scaling for all population and food buildings has been increased to better factor in nanite and robotics reductions better

Resource production (metal, crystal, deuterium) related buildings and tech

The initial feedback of players was that the bonus to production which you could obtain from Lifeforms would be too strong for the costs involved.

Changes:

• The bonus values from production related buildings and tech have been reduced
• The cost scaling and energy scaling has been increased so that higher bonus values have a significant higher increase in costs related to it
• The time scaling has been increased to factor in nanite and robotics and the newly added options to reduce Lifeform tech build time.

Overall, we believe that the initial levels for production boost will still give players a really good source to invest into if they want to enhance their production further while higher levels need a significant higher investment of resources and time to increase the benefits further.

Ship base stats & defense base stats related techs

The ship & defense related tech benefits will impact Structural integrity, Shield Power, Weapon Power, Cargo Capacity and Base Speed.

Changes:

• The overall power that you could gain from those Lifeform techs was too strong compared to weapon, shield, and armor research investments and therefore has been reduced and the cost scaling has been increased.

  
  

  • This should lead to a situation where you have a fast and cheap benefit from the related tech where further benefits need a much higher investment
• The reduction of the tech benefits also factors in that the overall bonus from all techs that increase ship speed should not lead to a situation where ship speed is vastly increased compared to now.
• The research time scaling for those techs has been increased as well

Ship speed increasing Lifeform techs

Overall, the intention of those techs were that players have an option to increase their flight speed further beyond the available research options. But we agree that a vastly increased flight speed is not something that should be possible. Therefore, the bonus values for ship speed have been revisited and changed.

Changes:

• Together with the ship base stat decrease the bonus values for ship speed techs have been reduced as well
• If players invest into ship base stat techs and ship speed techs they will still receive a worthwhile speed increase for their investment but need to specialize now more into this direction

Ship fuel reduction techs & Recall fuel refund tech

The main intention with introducing ship fuel reductions and a technology that would give back invested fuel if a fleet is recalled was to make flying around with fleets less of an investment and less of a risk. However, the fuel reduction has been seen as somewhat critical since it also enables exploration missions again to be more lucrative. With the changes we would like to address those concern but keep monitoring further feedback how much fuel reductions impact exploration missions and their gain from this tech.

Changes:

• Fuel reduction bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is now set to -30%)
• Recall fuel refund bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is set to 90% refund)
  - You will receive a refund for the remaining deuterium that you have not consumed while flying (example: If you fly 50% of the distance and then recall, you will receive a refund of the not used deuterium for half the way)

General cost reduction & time reductions

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of new options to reduce cost & time for production buildings or for specific research like Espionage tech, Weapon, Armor, Shield or Energy research. However, the cost reduction has been reviewed somewhat critical which we understand. Especially high reductions scale too strong into late game. However, we believe that the time reduction for research is still something that should be available since research doesn´t have a similar reduction options like buildings with nanite.

Changes:

• Cost reduction related buildings and techs have been decreased dramatically in its effect (cost reduction limit is now 50%, however reaching the 50% limit is extremely cost & time intense) and cost and time scaling has been increased
• Time reductions have been reduced in its effect but with proper stacking of different technologies and buildings from the Lifeform update and further investment we believe players can reach the limit of 99% reduction

  
  

  • Please note that 99% time reduction sounds initially a lot but in exponential scaling systems this can very fast be out scaled again and additionally needs quite some investment to reach

Class bonus techs

Some Lifeforms have as technology an increase to the class benefits. Since this can be quite powerful due to the overall benefits classes can give we believe that the initial values were too high for the investment that players had to take to boost the class benefits further.

Changes:

• The bonus from techs that increase class benefits have been reduced
• The cost and time scaling has been increased

Exploration related tech bonus

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of technologies for players who like the exploration playstyle. As example a technology that reduce the chance for Black Holes (fleet loss on expeditions) or increases the number of ships you find on expeditions. The initial feedback from players was rather critical about the reductions to the fleet loss chance since it potentially would lead again to a situation where exploration missions would be more efficient and lucrative again.

Changes:

• Fleet loss technology bonus values reduced, and cost and time scaling increased

  
  

  • Players will still be able to reduce the fleet loss chance, but it will overall cost you more
• Techs that boost “amount of ships found” and “resources found” on expedition have been slightly reduced in effectiveness and cost and time scaling has been increased

Moon size building

The Kaelesh have a special building that increases moon chance and moon size.

Changes:

• The bonus to moon size now only works on min. moon size. This makes moons in average bigger without increasing their size in total to not influence moon destruction chance

Population growth

Players reported that the growth of population was way too fast. After a short check we noticed that there are 2 current issues where one has been addressed and one will be addressed later.

Changes:

• Reduced the growth base value for Lifeform growth to consider server speed settings

Open issue:

• The growth rate currently factors in server speed multiple times and therefore is too fast. The intended setting is that population growth from 0 to 100% takes around 20 hours on a 4x server.

Final words

Thanks to all of the testers, the feedback we received from the official forum and Discord, we have been able to further improve the balance of the upcoming Lifeforms update. We hope that the changes reflect the feedback and wishes that players have communicated to us so far, as the developers work to fix issues and balance various mechanics introduced with these features. We will keep monitoring how players interact with the Lifeform update and the feedback that is provided, while everyone discovers new ways how to further improve his empire, and further improve it on the way as long as the PTS phase is ongoing.

Please find on the following link some useful values and formulas for a better understanding of Lifeforms: board.de.ogame.gameforge.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3948/

Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming!


Your OGame Team

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Ja, danke. Habe ich auch schon gesehen. Mein Beitrag kam ca. ein halbe Stunde vor Sir's Posting

Krasses Balancing... der Psionic Modulator (senkt die Anforderungen für die Forschungsslots) Stufe 19 kostet nun

4.211.991.858 Metall

842.398.371 Kristall

842.398.371 Deuterium

...und dauert nun 516w 3d 12h Bauzeit bei Nani 2, Robo 13 und Unispeed 4x Ob dieses Re-Balancing so glücklich war? Bei den Kosten und Bauzeiten erreicht man ja nie alle Tear3 Forschungen Im Verhältnis zu den Kosten sind die Benefits aus den Forschungen/Gebäuden, die man damit freischalten kann, ja schon fast lächerlich... hm..

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Pff...Lächerlich

Megalith:

• Production duration: 99182w 2d 12h
• Construction possible: Unknown
• Energy needed: 5.783Mn

Required to improve to level 35:

• 1.121Bn
• 784Bn
• 336Bn

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freu' mich da schon auf die Implementierung im 1x Speed Uni

Wonkydonky schrieb:

PScopa schrieb:

werden die formeln zur berechnung der einzelnen kosten / effekte der gebäude/forschungen ggf in naher zukunft veröffentlicht?

ich konnte zwar bereits schon einen großteil in erfahrung bringen, würde den passus aber gerne vervollständigen, um verschiedene szenarien durchspielen zu können.

Wurde im Discord schon angesprochen, allerdings kommt noch ein Rebalancing-Update, bei dem sich auch die Formeln noch ändern können.

Werden aber sehr wahrscheinlich dann veröffentlicht werden(so klang es zumindest)

ich habe halt eine sehr detaillierte excel, mit der ich auswertungen und paar betrachtungen machen kann - die patchdetails habe ich zum großteil schon eingearbeitet, mit fehlen lediglich ein paar zahlen und formeln. bspw bei der energiebetrachtung der gebäude wurde auch nicht die zugrunde liegende formel geändert, sondern lediglich 1 faktor... solche änderungen kann man schnell und einfach korrigieren. die grundsätzlichen formeln werden sich nicht mehr ändern.

Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Ringrocker schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

Hallo

Kurze Frage zu den Gebäudekosten: Gab es jüngst eine Anpassung der Kosten? Ich baue gerade an den Lifeform Buildings für die Kaelesh um alle Tear3 Forschungen freizuschalten. Dabei verklicke ich gemütlich eben jene Ress, die meine Expoflotten so häppchenweise nach hause schleppen. Soll heißen: ich baue "nach Kassenlage" und damit immer die Gebäude, die ähnlich viel kosten, nacheinander aus.

Beim Antimatter Convector waren das von Stufe 24 auf 25 ca. 10Mn Metall, etc. Heute wollte ich auf 26 ausbauen und auf einmal kostet es 58Mn/34Mn/20Mn.

Ich habe jetzt keinen Hinweis in den Patchnotes zur Kostenanpassung gefunden... oder nicht richtig geschaut Bug oder Feature?

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Mit der Beta20 wurde alles etwas neu gebalanced:

SirsSchwester schrieb:

Today, May 19 at 16:00 CEST we will update PTS.

Intro

We are very thankful for all the players who went on the Public Test Server (PTS) to experience our newest update “Lifeforms”. The team has now gone through the first wave of PTS feedback that was provided by a lot of players who jumped right into the new Lifeform update.

Overall, the update created some very interesting discussion about possible strategies with the newly introduced amount of possible build options which is one of the main intentions of the update. However, players also addressed that some of the benefits that are currently obtainable on the PTS were too powerful compared to their cost and that cost reductions were potentially too strong, and we agree. With our first balancing patch for the PTS Lifeform update we want to address the problems that players have highlighted and found so far.

The team would like to thank all of the players who took their time to test our Lifeform update and provided valuable feedback. This greatly helps us to improve the Lifeform update until it is ready for the live release as we continue our quest to make this polished, balanced, and fun by the time it launches.

In the following sections we will generally talk about some of the update goals and how the PTS setup will be changed compared to the initial version. Please note this is an ongoing process. As long as the update is tested on the PTS all values are subject to potential changes based on performance, testing, and community feedback.

General changes

Below a list of changes that were done to buildings or technologies across the board.

Buildings:

• Increased build time base value to factor in server speed.

Technologies:

• Increased scaling of research time for all Lifeform technologies to factor in the “technology & research reduction options” that are available with the Lifeform update
  - This change will make it more interesting to consider technologies that reduce research time since all technologies now will scale stronger into endgame and take longer to build.

Population & Food buildings

Population and food together with the introduced conversion buildings for each Lifeform are the pre-condition that players need to build up to access the new Lifeform tech tree. Players need to find a balance between an increasing amount of population vs. the amount of food that is consumed. This balance differs greatly between the different Lifeforms. Where for example Humans have support buildings that increase food production which help with the amount of population, or reduce food consumption the Rock´tal Lifeform has none of those options which makes them significantly more costly to reach the highest population counts that are needed to unlock the species tech tree fully.

Changes:

• The cost for population and food related buildings has slightly been decreased. The main goal here was that players have less costs before they can access the full species tech tree, while the last tech tree tiers will still need a significant investment
• The total energy costs for population and food related buildings to reach the needed amount of population for a fully unlocked tech tree have slightly been decreased. Energy will still be something that needs to be considered when building up Lifeforms.
• The total amount of food on planets has been reduced dramatically. The consumption vs. production is still the same, but the overall number of food on a planet is now much smaller

  
  

  • This change should tackle the problematic where players looted too much food on attacks. While food has the lowest priority when looting resources, the amount of food on planets would still create issues where you would lose out on potential other resources. The change should overall vastly improve the situation.
• The build time scaling for all population and food buildings has been increased to better factor in nanite and robotics reductions better

Resource production (metal, crystal, deuterium) related buildings and tech

The initial feedback of players was that the bonus to production which you could obtain from Lifeforms would be too strong for the costs involved.

Changes:

• The bonus values from production related buildings and tech have been reduced
• The cost scaling and energy scaling has been increased so that higher bonus values have a significant higher increase in costs related to it
• The time scaling has been increased to factor in nanite and robotics and the newly added options to reduce Lifeform tech build time.

Overall, we believe that the initial levels for production boost will still give players a really good source to invest into if they want to enhance their production further while higher levels need a significant higher investment of resources and time to increase the benefits further.

Ship base stats & defense base stats related techs

The ship & defense related tech benefits will impact Structural integrity, Shield Power, Weapon Power, Cargo Capacity and Base Speed.

Changes:

• The overall power that you could gain from those Lifeform techs was too strong compared to weapon, shield, and armor research investments and therefore has been reduced and the cost scaling has been increased.

  
  

  • This should lead to a situation where you have a fast and cheap benefit from the related tech where further benefits need a much higher investment
• The reduction of the tech benefits also factors in that the overall bonus from all techs that increase ship speed should not lead to a situation where ship speed is vastly increased compared to now.
• The research time scaling for those techs has been increased as well

Ship speed increasing Lifeform techs

Overall, the intention of those techs were that players have an option to increase their flight speed further beyond the available research options. But we agree that a vastly increased flight speed is not something that should be possible. Therefore, the bonus values for ship speed have been revisited and changed.

Changes:

• Together with the ship base stat decrease the bonus values for ship speed techs have been reduced as well
• If players invest into ship base stat techs and ship speed techs they will still receive a worthwhile speed increase for their investment but need to specialize now more into this direction

Ship fuel reduction techs & Recall fuel refund tech

The main intention with introducing ship fuel reductions and a technology that would give back invested fuel if a fleet is recalled was to make flying around with fleets less of an investment and less of a risk. However, the fuel reduction has been seen as somewhat critical since it also enables exploration missions again to be more lucrative. With the changes we would like to address those concern but keep monitoring further feedback how much fuel reductions impact exploration missions and their gain from this tech.

Changes:

• Fuel reduction bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is now set to -30%)
• Recall fuel refund bonus cost and time scaling increased (limit is set to 90% refund)
  - You will receive a refund for the remaining deuterium that you have not consumed while flying (example: If you fly 50% of the distance and then recall, you will receive a refund of the not used deuterium for half the way)

General cost reduction & time reductions

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of new options to reduce cost & time for production buildings or for specific research like Espionage tech, Weapon, Armor, Shield or Energy research. However, the cost reduction has been reviewed somewhat critical which we understand. Especially high reductions scale too strong into late game. However, we believe that the time reduction for research is still something that should be available since research doesn´t have a similar reduction options like buildings with nanite.

Changes:

• Cost reduction related buildings and techs have been decreased dramatically in its effect (cost reduction limit is now 50%, however reaching the 50% limit is extremely cost & time intense) and cost and time scaling has been increased
• Time reductions have been reduced in its effect but with proper stacking of different technologies and buildings from the Lifeform update and further investment we believe players can reach the limit of 99% reduction

  
  

  • Please note that 99% time reduction sounds initially a lot but in exponential scaling systems this can very fast be out scaled again and additionally needs quite some investment to reach

Class bonus techs

Some Lifeforms have as technology an increase to the class benefits. Since this can be quite powerful due to the overall benefits classes can give we believe that the initial values were too high for the investment that players had to take to boost the class benefits further.

Changes:

• The bonus from techs that increase class benefits have been reduced
• The cost and time scaling has been increased

Exploration related tech bonus

The Lifeform update introduces a couple of technologies for players who like the exploration playstyle. As example a technology that reduce the chance for Black Holes (fleet loss on expeditions) or increases the number of ships you find on expeditions. The initial feedback from players was rather critical about the reductions to the fleet loss chance since it potentially would lead again to a situation where exploration missions would be more efficient and lucrative again.

Changes:

• Fleet loss technology bonus values reduced, and cost and time scaling increased

  
  

  • Players will still be able to reduce the fleet loss chance, but it will overall cost you more
• Techs that boost “amount of ships found” and “resources found” on expedition have been slightly reduced in effectiveness and cost and time scaling has been increased

Moon size building

The Kaelesh have a special building that increases moon chance and moon size.

Changes:

• The bonus to moon size now only works on min. moon size. This makes moons in average bigger without increasing their size in total to not influence moon destruction chance

Population growth

Players reported that the growth of population was way too fast. After a short check we noticed that there are 2 current issues where one has been addressed and one will be addressed later.

Changes:

• Reduced the growth base value for Lifeform growth to consider server speed settings

Open issue:

• The growth rate currently factors in server speed multiple times and therefore is too fast. The intended setting is that population growth from 0 to 100% takes around 20 hours on a 4x server.

Final words

Thanks to all of the testers, the feedback we received from the official forum and Discord, we have been able to further improve the balance of the upcoming Lifeforms update. We hope that the changes reflect the feedback and wishes that players have communicated to us so far, as the developers work to fix issues and balance various mechanics introduced with these features. We will keep monitoring how players interact with the Lifeform update and the feedback that is provided, while everyone discovers new ways how to further improve his empire, and further improve it on the way as long as the PTS phase is ongoing.

Please find on the following link some useful values and formulas for a better understanding of Lifeforms: board.de.ogame.gameforge.com/wcf/index.php?attachment/3948/

Thanks again for all the feedback. Please keep it coming!


Your OGame Team

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Ja, danke. Habe ich auch schon gesehen. Mein Beitrag kam ca. ein halbe Stunde vor Sir's Posting

Krasses Balancing... der Psionic Modulator (senkt die Anforderungen für die Forschungsslots) Stufe 19 kostet nun

4.211.991.858 Metall

842.398.371 Kristall

842.398.371 Deuterium

...und dauert nun 516w 3d 12h Bauzeit bei Nani 2, Robo 13 und Unispeed 4x Ob dieses Re-Balancing so glücklich war? Bei den Kosten und Bauzeiten erreicht man ja nie alle Tear3 Forschungen Im Verhältnis zu den Kosten sind die Benefits aus den Forschungen/Gebäuden, die man damit freischalten kann, ja schon fast lächerlich... hm..

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Pff...Lächerlich

Megalith:

• Production duration: 99182w 2d 12h
• Construction possible: Unknown
• Energy needed: 5.783Mn

Required to improve to level 35:

• 1.121Bn
• 784Bn
• 336Bn

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ich weiß nicht, warum ihr so absolut realitätsferne szenarien "testet"....

robo 13? nani 2? megalith stufe 35?

Finde das auch totale Katastrophe, brauch mans auch erst garnicht Live zu machen. Wie wärs denn mit einem Limit? So wie bei ner Schildkuppel reduzieren einfach sagen bei 10% billigere Minen ist schluss. Das ganze schön billig lassen, dass auch Miner zu Unistart mit dem Entdecker mithalten können.

PScopa schrieb:

ich weiß nicht, warum ihr so absolut realitätsferne szenarien "testet"....

robo 13? nani 2? megalith stufe 35?

Robo 13 + Nani 2 für Psionic Modulator Stufe 19... Megalith Stufe 35 war Ringrocker (kA was er für Nani- Und Robo-Stufen hat)

Realitätsfern war das bei mir bisher zumindest nicht.. vor den re-balancing waren die Bauzeiten deutlich unter 1 Std. Mal abwarten, ob ein re-balancing vom re-balancing kommt

sn00p3r schrieb:

PScopa schrieb:

ich weiß nicht, warum ihr so absolut realitätsferne szenarien "testet"....

robo 13? nani 2? megalith stufe 35?

Robo 13 + Nani 2 für Psionic Modulator Stufe 19... Megalith Stufe 35 war Ringrocker (kA was er für Nani- Und Robo-Stufen hat)

Realitätsfern war das bei mir bisher zumindest nicht.. vor den re-balancing waren die Bauzeiten deutlich unter 1 Std. Mal abwarten, ob ein re-balancing vom re-balancing kommt

ich weiß, dass ich posts hier gemischt habe - war eine generelle aussage.

ich habe die daten aus meinem acc genutzt (1mrd+) und bin bei megalith stufe 18 hängen geblieben bzgl kosten/nutzen-faktor. ich bezweifle einfach mal SEHR stark, dass es einen acc gibt, bei dem stufe 35 eine sinnvolle stufe war oder jetzt sein wird.

PScopa schrieb:

sn00p3r schrieb:

PScopa schrieb:

ich weiß nicht, warum ihr so absolut realitätsferne szenarien "testet"....

robo 13? nani 2? megalith stufe 35?

Robo 13 + Nani 2 für Psionic Modulator Stufe 19... Megalith Stufe 35 war Ringrocker (kA was er für Nani- Und Robo-Stufen hat)

Realitätsfern war das bei mir bisher zumindest nicht.. vor den re-balancing waren die Bauzeiten deutlich unter 1 Std. Mal abwarten, ob ein re-balancing vom re-balancing kommt

ich weiß, dass ich posts hier gemischt habe - war eine generelle aussage.

ich habe die daten aus meinem acc genutzt (1mrd+) und bin bei megalith stufe 18 hängen geblieben bzgl kosten/nutzen-faktor. ich bezweifle einfach mal SEHR stark, dass es einen acc gibt, bei dem stufe 35 eine sinnvolle stufe war oder jetzt sein wird.

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Janz einfach: Hängt mit dem Bug zusammen, welcher für die tollen Zahlen in den Top10 gesorgt hat, also Überbleibsel aus Ner vorherigen Beta.

Bei den Leuten sieht es noch lustiger aus xD

Hier mal eine kleine Auflistung vom "Balancing" ..... zumindest was mir so aufgefallen ist

T1 Human / High Performance Extractors / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,2 %

T1 Rocks / High Energy Pump System / + 0,08 % DEUT... vorher 0,13 %

T1 Mechas / Automated Transportlines / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,16 %

T2 Human / Enhanced Production Technology / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,3 %

T2 Rocks / Hardened Diamond Drill Heads / + 0,1 % MET... vorher 0,6 %

T2 Rocks / Seismic Mining Tech / + 0,1 % KRIS

T2 Kaelesh / Psychoharmoniser / + 0,1 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,3 %

Tut mir Leid, aber man hat so das Gefühl als ob man das mal eben hart/pauschal/unbedacht nach unten korrigiert hat. Das ergibt von vorne bis hinten keinen Sinn.

Die Werte von T1 und T2 sind jetzt alle mal eben entweder 0,08% oder 0,1%, egal ob es sich um einen Boost für alle Ress handelt oder nur einen einzelnen. Wieso das denn????

Wieso gibt beim T1 die Forschung für Humans für alle Ress 0,08% während beim T1 für die Rocks die Forschung ebenfalls 0,08% gibt, obwohl diese

1. nur spezialisiert auf Deuterium ist (Wenn es ein Boost für nur eine spezielle Ress ist sollte dieser Wert schon höher ausfallen als bei einer ähnlich teuren Forschung für alle 3 Ress)

2. Und obwohl es sich bei den Rocks ja um eine Mining-spezialisierte Lebensform handelt (man sollte meinen, das deren Techs fürs Mining dann etwas besser sind)

Das gleiche dann beim T2 zwischen Humans/Kaelesh und den Rocks. Hier sind es sogar gleich 2 Techs von den Rocks die nur eine einzige Ress boosten verglichen mit den Forschungen

Enhanced Production Technology (Humans) und Psychoharmoniser (Kaelesh) , die alle Ress boosten.

Passender wäre es Solo _ Boosts aufzuwerten. zB.:

T1 Rocks / High Energy Pump System / + 0,15 % DEUT.

T2 Rocks / Hardened Diamond Drill Heads / + 0,2 % MET

T2 Rocks / Seismic Mining Tech / + 0,5 % KRIS

Gerade beim Seismic Mining Tech schlage ich bewusst so einen hohen Wert gerade für das Kristall vor.

Damit ließe sich die im Lategame extrem schwache Kristallproduktion etwas attraktiver machen.

Evtl könnte man das auch so gestalten das die Position 1 mit dem Kristallbonus mal wenigstens etwas konkurrenzfähiger wird und vielleicht mal eine Option darstellen würde.

Gerade die Position 1 , als sehr heiße Position im System passt auch thematisch zu den Rocks und könnte dieser Lebensform einen ganz exklusiven Zugang für eine sehr sinnvolle

Kolonisation gerade auf dieser doch relativ unbeliebten Stelle des Systems geben

AlexO schrieb:

Hier mal eine kleine Auflistung vom "Balancing" ..... zumindest was mir so aufgefallen ist

T1 Human / High Performance Extractors / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,2 %

T1 Rocks / High Energy Pump System / + 0,08 % DEUT... vorher 0,13 %

T1 Mechas / Automated Transportlines / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,16 %

T2 Human / Enhanced Production Technology / + 0,08 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,3 %

T2 Rocks / Hardened Diamond Drill Heads / + 0,1 % MET... vorher 0,6 %

T2 Rocks / Seismic Mining Tech / + 0,1 % KRIS

T2 Kaelesh / Psychoharmoniser / + 0,1 % MET/KRIS/DEUT... vorher 0,3 %

Tut mir Leid, aber man hat so das Gefühl als ob man das mal eben hart/pauschal/unbedacht nach unten korrigiert hat. Das ergibt von vorne bis hinten keinen Sinn.

Die Werte von T1 und T2 sind jetzt alle mal eben entweder 0,08% oder 0,1%, egal ob es sich um einen Boost für alle Ress handelt oder nur einen einzelnen. Wieso das denn????

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Die Boni stacken über alle Planeten.

Nehmen wir die Forschungen "Magma Refinement" (T1, +0.08% Metall), "High-Performance Extractors" (T1, +0.08% alle) und "Magma-Powered Production" (T1, +0.1% alle) je bei Stufe 10 (was recht günstig ist) auf 15 Planeten an, dann hast du allein mit den 3 Tier-1-Forschungen einen Bonus auf die Grundproduktion von 39% Metall, und je 27% Kristall und Deuterium.

Finde ich gut so, weil bei den Forschungen an den Kosten ja kaum/gar nicht geschraubt wurde.

Wonkydonky schrieb:

Die Boni stacken über alle Planeten.

Nehmen wir die Forschungen "Magma Refinement" (T1, +0.08% Metall), "High-Performance Extractors" (T1, +0.08% alle) und "Magma-Powered Production" (T1, +0.1% alle) je bei Stufe 10 (was recht günstig ist) auf 15 Planeten an, dann hast du allein mit den 3 Tier-1-Forschungen einen Bonus auf die Grundproduktion von 39% Metall, und je 27% Kristall und Deuterium.

Finde ich gut so, weil bei den Forschungen an den Kosten ja kaum/gar nicht geschraubt wurde.

Mir ist schon bewusst das diese Forschungen stacken, doch es ging mir nicht darum das die Werte zu gering sind, sondern darum das Forschungen mit

einer einzelnen geboosteten Ress mehr bringen sollten als eine Forschung die alle 3 Ress boostet.

So finde ich die Reduzierung der Werte sogar gut, da der Produktionsanteil der Summe aller Boosts (Kollektor, Händler, Crawler, Plasma, die neuen LifeTechs)

ansonsten mittlerweile einfach zu krass aus dem Ruder läuft.
Was ich noch begrüßen würde, wäre ein Einfluss der Gesamtlaborstufe auf die Lifeform Forschungen. Verstehe nicht wieso man das normale Forschungslabor nicht

in die Formel zur Berrechnung dieser Forschungen miteinbezieht. Das würde es auch interessanter machen an dieser Stelle etwas mehr auszubauen.

AlexO schrieb:

Mir ist schon bewusst das diese Forschungen stacken, doch es ging mir nicht darum das die Werte zu gering sind, sondern darum das Forschungen mit

einer einzelnen geboosteten Ress mehr bringen sollten als eine Forschung die alle 3 Ress boostet.

So finde ich die Reduzierung der Werte sogar gut, da der Produktionsanteil der Summe aller Boosts (Kollektor, Händler, Crawler, Plasma, die neuen LifeTechs)

ansonsten mittlerweile einfach zu krass aus dem Ruder läuft.
Was ich noch begrüßen würde, wäre ein Einfluss der Gesamtlaborstufe auf die Lifeform Forschungen. Verstehe nicht wieso man das normale Forschungslabor nicht

in die Formel zur Berrechnung dieser Forschungen miteinbezieht. Das würde es auch interessanter machen an dieser Stelle etwas mehr auszubauen.

Das mag sein, allerdings gibt es für die produktionserhöhenden Forschungen (meist, sofern ich grad nichts vergesse) keine Alternativforschungen im gleichen Slot. Man hat also die "Wahl" zwischen mehr Produktion oder was anderem. Da sind dann die Prozentwerte egal, weil die eh 0 oder >0 sind.

mal davon abgesehen, dass es so gewollt ist, dass kein Spielstil sich ne Rasse aussucht und dann nur deren Forschungen benutzt. Schließlich will GF auch Geld verdienen.

Als Miner wird man sich trotzdem für Rocktal entscheiden, da deren Gebäude besser zum Miner passen, auch wenn man die ein oder andere Forschung der anderen Rassen bevorzugt.

Wer nimmt denn nicht die miner rasse? Also die Entdecker rasse hat nicht so tolle Gebäude. Warum sollte man die nehmen oder die Menschen?

... die Mechas haben auch ein paar Nettigkeiten .......

die haben ein bisschen Energie und deut Produktion. Da nimmt man immer noch lieber die Rocks weil die neben deut auch noch Metall und Kristall haben. Einziger Grund wäre da Gebäude dass das Angreifer wrackfeld erhöht. Das gehört in meinen Augen nochmal vernünftig gebalanced aber das ist ein anderes Thema.

Naja selbst wenn sich einige für die Mechas entscheiden bleibt halt meine Frage warum die anderen beiden rassen im Spiel sind. Die werden genauso unbenutzt bleiben wie 2 von 3 ally Klassen aktuell.

keinbiervor4 schrieb:

die haben ein bisschen Energie und deut Produktion. Da nimmt man immer noch lieber die Rocks weil die neben deut auch noch Metall und Kristall haben. Einziger Grund wäre da Gebäude dass das Angreifer wrackfeld erhöht. Das gehört in meinen Augen nochmal vernünftig gebalanced aber das ist ein anderes Thema.

Naja selbst wenn sich einige für die Mechas entscheiden bleibt halt meine Frage warum die anderen beiden rassen im Spiel sind. Die werden genauso unbenutzt bleiben wie 2 von 3 ally Klassen aktuell.

Also ich denke die meisten werden entweder Humans oder Mechas nehmen.

Die Rocks sind dann wegen ihrem Gebäude das die Baukosten für Minen reduziert ganz gut temporär zu nutzen, also nur auf dem Planeten auf dem man gerade Minen baut.

Hat man diese dann fertig gebaut, wechselt man wieder zu einer anderen Lebensform und wechselt auf dem nächstem auszubauenden Planeten auf Rocks.

Die Kaelesh sind aus meiner Sicht nicht so die beste Wahl.